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Resources and References?
posted by Marwa
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March 7, 2026, 3:40 p.m.
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March 8, 2026, 7:38 p.m.
A very belated thank you for all the links shared as well! Por Marwa, that calligraphy one is so pretty! It also encourages me to share one of the examples of calligraphy I first looked at. I feel downloading the free pdf is better than attempt to read in google books. Per the summary ''Almost every major Ottoman calligrapher working in the fifteenth to the early twentieth century is represented in the Sabancı Collection by important examples of calligraphy.' |
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April 5, 2026, 1:08 p.m.
That is so gorgeous, pof Ighlaf! <3 Adding a general shout-out to the Met's online collection of publications, a lot of which is free to download! -- Also, here are some materials I've collected over time about magic, amulets, talismans, and all those interesting things. It's not a whole lot at this point, but figured I might as well share the fun. :) Arabic and Persian Seals and Amulets in the British Museum - Venetia Porter (& contributors) I had saved this PDF a long while ago because I wanted to learn more about what personal and official seals in the Arabic-speaking and Islamic world might look like, and this is a wonderful catalog of all of that! But, as the title states, it also includes a large collection of amulets (starting on page 131). Transcriptions and translations are provided for each object when possible, with helpful introductions and commentary. Power and Protection: Islamic Art and the Supernatural - Francesca Leoni (& contributors) A publication to accompany the Ashmolean Museum's exhibit of the same name from 2016-2017. The photographs of the exhibited objects are SO GORGEOUS!! Oh my goodness. Medieval Islamic Amulets, Talismans, and Magic - Venetia Porter, Liana Saif, Emilie Savage-Smith A more academic text, but I thought it was a helpful overview on this subject. I've also noticed over time that Drs. Emilie Savage-Smith, Liana Saif, and Venetia Porter seem to be recurring names in this field - though Venetia Porter seems easy to run into in general! A sarf talisman from Ghayl Ba Wazir, Hadramawt - Mikhail Rodionov Another more academic text, but a short and (imo) still interesting read about a specific artifact from Yemen with some B&W photographs. |
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April 20, 2026, 7:12 p.m.
So this is a little bit lighter of a link, but to my fellow Egypt and/or Amunat nerds - a dive into how hieroglyphics, like much of the ancient world, were so much more colorful than we think! This one is also interesting IMO for talking about the process of how to display something like that for modern audiences. Using technology in conjunction with ancient artifacts is something the museum world could push a lot further, and this feels like a perfect example of how to do it right. |
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May 6, 2026, 3:20 p.m.
And here I go double-posting, but: Jannah asked Kamenes ICly if the ink at al-Mansuri's was made from iron galls or mined, and I immediately launched myself into a Google hole to have an informed answer. The oldest inks were carbon inks, made from soot in various fashions - they were used everywhere for a long, long time. Looking deeper into that, I found this fascinating paper that analyzed ancient Egyptian inks from parchments in the Roman era. I'll paste the bit I found particularly cool:
Carbon inks were largely passed over by the late medieval period by iron gall ink. (Here's a cool paper describing and analyzing recipes for iron gall inks, written by a 13th-century Andalusian.) But most of the sources on 'medieval inks' take a really Eurocentric perspective, to nobody's surprise. To make iron gall ink you require oak gall nuts, which means you need... a lot of oak trees. I don't think oaks are nearly as common in the Middle East as in Europe, though I know some species exist. And this beautiful-looking book on the inks and paints of the Middle-East (which I am now coveting) gives equal space to both carbon blacks and tannine (aka, based on iron+tannin, like iron gall) blacks. So I tried to dig deeper to figure out if iron gall ink really took over EVERYWHERE. And I found this amazing book containing various chapters on the history of ink. Chapter 4 taught me that apparently making soot of sufficient quality for good ink was tricky, and that impelled the switch over to iron gall ink. Chapter 7 involves the author replicating Arabic ink recipes from the 600s-1300:
God willing. (Apparently God wasn't to the author, whose ink was almost invisible.) Most of these recipes are iron-gall based, though one actually involves making black dye from sumac fruits. So I think I can call it - almost certainly the black inks we'd be using ICly are iron gall inks, though it isn't impossible somebody would use/sell carbon inks, especially perhaps in Amunat as an old traditional product. Chapter 10 goes through precise and detailed recipes for different colored inks from a 13th century manuscript, so if anybody ever wants to RP that out in painstaking detail - it's all there, and delightful. For example, talking about red cinnabar ink:
You SHOULD know this, apparently. TIL. |
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May 7, 2026, 10:13 a.m.
This is some very cool stuff; thank you for sharing! :D And just to jump in from Avaria's own lore perspective, most of the ink currently available in-game is generally assumed to be produced from oak galls. The gall oak that is native to Ruleska has been widely naturalized in areas throughout the caliphate where it can grow in the wild, which includes stony hillsides in Raziya. And especially fine iron gall ink is an export of southern Irzal/northern Rahoum. |
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May 7, 2026, 10:53 a.m.
This is some very cool stuff; thank you for sharing! :D And just to jump in from Avaria's own lore perspective, most of the ink currently available in-game is generally assumed to be produced from oak galls. The gall oak that is native to Ruleska has been widely naturalized in areas throughout the caliphate where it can grow in the wild, which includes stony hillsides in Raziya. And especially fine iron gall ink is an export of southern Irzal/northern Rahoum.
Of course you had already thought about this! Kamenes incorrectly said mined because I didn't do enough research before replying and assumed there would be an Oak Shortage, so I will just have to pretend he never asked where the ink came from. |